DemographicInformation

Age distribution among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who are ages…

Survey year 18-29 30-49 50-64 65+ Sample Size
Sample size = 11,796. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 17% 32% 30% 21% 11,796
2007 17% 40% 26% 17% 14,570

Generational cohort among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who are…

Survey year Younger Millennial Older Millennial Generation X Baby Boomer Silent Greatest Sample Size
Sample size = 11,796. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 11% 12% 27% 36% 13% 2% 11,796
2007 < 1% 13% 30% 36% 17% 5% 14,570

Gender composition among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who are…

Survey year Men Women Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 48% 52% 12,000
2007 49% 51% 14,893

Racial and ethnic composition among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who identify as…

Survey year White Black Asian Latino Other/Mixed Sample Size
Sample size = 11,876. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 72% 8% 2% 15% 3% 11,876
2007 76% 8% 1% 13% 2% 14,785

Immigrant status among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who are…

Survey year Immigrants Second generation Third generation or higher Sample Size
Sample size = 11,869. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 12% 10% 77% 11,869
2007 11% 9% 80% 14,765

Income distribution among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who have a household income of…

Survey year Less than $30,000 $30,000-$49,999 $50,000-$99,999 $100,000 or more Sample Size
Sample size = 10,402. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 33% 21% 27% 20% 10,402
2007 30% 21% 31% 18% 12,259

Educational distribution among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who have completed…

Survey year High school or less Some college College Post-graduate degree Sample Size
Sample size = 11,937. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 43% 32% 16% 10% 11,937

Marital status among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who are…

Survey year Married Living with a partner Divorced/separated Widowed Never married Sample Size
Sample size = 11,956. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 49% 8% 14% 8% 21% 11,956
2007 54% 7% 13% 9% 18% 14,816

Parent of children under 18 among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who are…

Survey year Parents Non-parents Sample Size
Sample size = 11,966. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 27% 73% 11,966
2007 34% 66% 14,856

BeliefsandPractices

Belief in God among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say they…

Survey year Believe in God; absolutely certain Believe in God; fairly certain Believe in God; not too/not at all certain Believe in God; don't know Do not believe in God Other/don't know if they believe in God Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 65% 26% 5% 1% 2% 1% 12,000
2007 72% 21% 3% 1% 1% 2% 14,893

Importance of religion in one's life among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say religion is…

Survey year Very important Somewhat important Not too important Not at all important Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 47% 39% 11% 3% < 1% 12,000
2007 49% 39% 10% 3% 1% 14,893

Attendance at religious services among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who attend religious services…

Survey year At least once a week Once or twice a month/a few times a year Seldom/never Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 20% 49% 31% 1% 12,000
2007 25% 47% 28% 1% 14,893

Frequency of prayer among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who pray…

Survey year At least daily Weekly Monthly Seldom/never Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 50% 23% 9% 17% 1% 12,000
2007 51% 23% 8% 16% 1% 14,893

Frequency of meditation among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who meditate…

Survey year At least once a week Once or twice a month Several times a year Seldom/never Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 31% 8% 5% 55% 1% 12,000
2007 29% 7% 4% 57% 2% 14,893

Frequency of feeling spiritual peace and wellbeing among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who feel a sense of spiritual peace and wellbeing…

Survey year At least once a week Once or twice a month Several times a year Seldom/never Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 50% 18% 13% 18% 1% 12,000
2007 42% 16% 16% 22% 3% 14,893

Frequency of feeling wonder about the universe among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who feel a sense of wonder about the universe…

Survey year At least once a week Once or twice a month Several times a year Seldom/never Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 38% 15% 15% 30% 1% 12,000
2007 33% 13% 16% 34% 3% 14,893

Sources of guidance on right and wrong among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say they look to…most for guidance on right and wrong

Survey year Religion Philosophy/reason Common sense Science Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 26% 10% 54% 8% 2% 12,000
2007 20% 9% 62% 5% 3% 14,893

Belief in absolute standards for right and wrong among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say…

Survey year There are clear standards for what is right and wrong Right or wrong depends on the situation Neither/both equally Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 31% 67% 2% 1% 12,000

Frequency of reading scripture among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who read scripture…

Survey year At least once a week Once or twice a month Several times a year Seldom/never Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 18% 11% 11% 60% 1% 12,000
2007 18% 10% 10% 62% 1% 14,893

Interpreting scripture among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say the holy scripture is…

Survey year Word of God; should be taken literally Word of God; not everything taken literally Word of God; other/don't know Not the word of God Other/don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 24% 35% 3% 31% 8% 12,000
2007 25% 33% 3% 28% 11% 14,893

Belief in Heaven among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who …in heaven

Survey year Believe Don't believe Other/don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 82% 11% 7% 12,000
2007 80% 11% 9% 14,893

Belief in Hell among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who …in hell

Survey year Believe Don't believe Other/don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 62% 29% 9% 12,000
2007 60% 28% 12% 14,893

SocialandPoliticalViews

Party affiliation among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who identify as…

Survey year Republican/lean Rep. No lean Democrat/lean Dem. Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 40% 16% 44% 12,000
2007 36% 17% 47% 14,893

Political ideology among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who are…

Survey year Conservative Moderate Liberal Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 36% 37% 22% 6% 12,000
2007 35% 40% 19% 7% 14,893

Views about size of government among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who would rather have…

Survey year Smaller government; fewer services Bigger government; more services Depends Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 53% 39% 3% 4% 12,000
2007 44% 46% 5% 6% 14,893

Views about government aid to the poor among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say government aid to the poor…

Survey year Does more harm than good Does more good than harm Neither/both equally Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 48% 47% 4% 2% 12,000

Views about abortion among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say abortion should be…

Survey year Legal in all/most cases Illegal in all/most cases Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 57% 39% 4% 12,000
2007 56% 37% 7% 14,893

Views about homosexuality among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say homosexuality…

Survey year Should be accepted Should be discouraged Neither/both equally Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 68% 25% 4% 3% 12,000
2007 56% 33% 5% 6% 14,893

Views about same-sex marriage among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who …same-sex marriage

Survey year Strongly favor/favor Oppose/strongly oppose Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 57% 34% 8% 12,000

Views about environmental regulation among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say…

Survey year Stricter environmental laws and regulations cost too many jobs and hurt the economy Stricter environmental laws and regulations are worth the cost Neither/both equally Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 40% 55% 2% 3% 12,000
2007 30% 61% 3% 6% 14,893

Views about human evolution among adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian

% of adults who seldom or never attend prayer groups who are Christian who say humans…

Survey year Evolved; due to natural processes Evolved; due to God's design Evolved; don't know how Always existed in present form Don't know Sample Size
Sample size = 12,000. Visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire. Sample sizes and margins of error vary from subgroup to subgroup, from year to year and from state to state. You can see the sample size for the estimates in this chart on rollover or in the last column of the table. And visit this table to see approximate margins of error for a group of a given size. Readers should always bear in mind the approximate margin of error for the group they are examining when making comparisons with other groups or assessing the significance of trends over time. For full question wording, see the survey questionnaire.
2014 30% 31% 4% 29% 4% 12,000